my question still is: that we have to respect their traditions when we go to their countries, and as women we have to put on a scarf or whatever else is necessary, out of respect. And i know this is a really had thing to discuss, but how about if they respected our way of life and didnt wear the cloaks? I honestly couldnt care less what anyone wears, but reality is that we have to respect their life and so it just goes without saying that they should also do the same for us. If we go to certain arabic countries and walk around in shorts and a t-shirt, well that would be really not ok, and there could be serious consequences. I feel a bit torn with this topic as at the end of the day its really all about acceptance, and that doesnt exist all the time, so then the rules come in and we all get thrown off a bit. Any other views on this?
See that nice little crucifix around her neck? They should ban those as well, at least on politicians. I find it offensive that she supports an organisation that doesn't support the equality of rights she fights for in parliament.
Ooooooo! Zing!! Good one. However, we all know that the suppresion of women's rights in Christianity (esp. Vatican style) is much more righteous than in "those others", now don't we?
She also supposedly supports the advancement of gay equality as well. I guess she is just a typical two face politician. Notice the cross is just small or large enough to notice or not to notice. Personally I think they should ban burkas, nun uniforms (unless it is a fancy dress party), minarets and steeples as well as christianity and islam.
The head-covering of Muslim women and the issues and controversies surrounding it.
Published by Ebey Soman in Islam on May 5, 2008
A Burqa is an outer garment worn by women in Islamic societies for the purpose of concealing their bodies and/or face. It is mostly worn when a woman leaves her home and she has to wear it until she is back in her home.
Where is a Burqa worn?
Burqa is worn throughout Middle Eastern nations and the Muslim nations around the world. Many liberal or democratic governments are not so strict about wearing the Burqa. One such famous example is Turkey, where secular ideas prevail and give people the freedom to choose if they want to wear a Burqa. Meanwhile, in stricter nations, women are told to wear the Burqa and failure to do so can result in beatings, harassment or other worse punishments.
Who wears a Burqa?
Obviously a woman wears a Burqa but more specifically, conservative practicing Muslims wear it. Girls are not supposed to wear a burqa until she hits puberty but this notion is not practiced as girl as young as six are made to wear the Burqa to get them used to wearing it. There have also been instances where men wore the Burqa to escape from the police or to hide their identities from the authorities. One such famous incident occurred at the Red Mosque siege in Pakistan.
What are the different styles of the Burqa or names?
Burqa falls under the category of Hijab. This is a Arabic word which means to veil or cover and refers to a women’s head and body covering gear. In Saudi Arabia, women a loose robe called abaya and a face veil called niqab while in nations like Tunisia or Turkey, Muslim women tend to wear only a headscarf. In Iran, they take a step further and the “fashion police” mandate all women to wear loose clothing – preferably black or a while robe – when going out and women are also supposed to wear either a full face veil or scarf. If the dress code is not followed, it results in punishment. In order to accommodate to the modern word, Islamic teachers allow women to wear a “Burqini.” A Burqini is a swimsuit for women and it covers the entire body. The only exposed parts are the feet, fingers and the face. Chador is also a full body cover for women. One of the extremes of Burqa is the Afghan Burqa, which was enforced by Taliban. This burqa covers the entire body in a loose clothing and even the face (including eyes) are covered with only a grille for the women to look through.
What does Quran say about the Burqa?
First of all, it depends on which Islamic scholar you ask. They are all in disagreement as to what extend Quran advocates this. However, the Quran does urge men and women to dress and behave modestly in society. The Quran does not specifically mention the Burqa or tells women to wear such extremely confining clothes. The Ulema or the Scholars do agree that the Quran says women should not wear extremely revealing clothes. Modern day muslims base their authority regarding the Burqa on the Hadith or collected traditions of life in the days of Muhammad the prophet. But a noteworthy objection is that Hadith describes 7th century Arabian life, which should not be imposed on modern day Muslims world wide. Muslim communities also argue that women are to dress modestly but should not be forced or punished to wear a Burqa. This is why many Muslim communities have different preferences regarding the application of the Burqa.
The West and Burqa
The issue of Burqa has been a source of problems for western nations. Some call it Islamophobia but the real reason is the issue of security. This is why France banned all forms of religious clothing and articles in the schools throughout the nation. Netherlands also banned the wearing of face-covering Burqa. There have been instances in USA where Muslim women wanted to get her drivers license but refused to take off her Burqa (face veil). This generates a problem because identification of a person becomes troublesome especially when the person is wearing clothing to cover their faces. As mentioned earlier, there have been instances of terrorists and criminals wearing the Burqa to hide from the police and authorities so a security issue is generated. Women’s rights groups, both Islamic and secular, have also begun to actively fight what they see as the subjugation of women. Within the Muslim community, conservatives and Islamic feminists have used Islamic doctrine as the basis for discussion of women’s rights, drawing on the Qur’an, the Hadithand the lives of prominent women in the early period of Muslim history as evidence. Muslim Bengali writer Rokeya Sakhawat Hussain criticized the hijab and the Burqa in her utopian fantasy Sultana’s Dream. Iranian-American novelist Azar Nafisi, author of Reading Lolita in Tehran, Marjane Satrapi, author of the graphic novel Persepolis, and Parvin Darabi who has authored Rage Against the Veil are some of the famous opponents of compulsory veiling. So far, Turkey and Tunisia are the only Muslim countries where the law prohibits the wearing of hijab in government buildings, schools, and universities. Saudi Arabia and Iran are the only countries that enforce the dress code strictly with severe punishments through the religious police.
The Future of Burqa?
There are both the opponents and the supporters of Burqa out there but many Muslims are starting to agree that such enforced dress code is not necessary. Unlike historical times, many nations have begun to lessen their enforcement of the Burqa. Women are also no longer required to wear the Burqa (only some Muslim nations) even though they are encouraged to wear modest clothes such as a headscarf (most of Islamic states). Liberal Muslims and women’s rights groups are advocating for the compulsory enforcement of the Burqa to be stopped so a women (and girls) are given the choice to decide if they want to wear the Burqa or not. Currently, this issue or topic is hotly contested by the Islamic scholars, Muslim Communities and the Western nations. However, as Islam moves into the modern age, one can only speculate as to what the future of Burqa will truly be.
I wouldn't take that blog seriously when they state this, "The Christian religion has changed over the years until it’s no longer identifiable as it was known in the early days. It has gradually grown kinder and more civilized as human beings have matured."
Radical Muslims threaten women's minister
By David Rogers
A banned radical Islamic organisation has sent a threatening letter to Social Democratic (SPÖ) Women’s Minister Gabriele Heinisch-Hosek after she called for a ban on burkas, according to the Österreich newspaper.
The newspaper reported today (Weds) that the Hizb ut-Tahrir organisation based in Lebanon had sent it a three-page email after Christmas in which it condemned the minister’s remarks last week and threatened her using the sentence from the Koran: "And know that Allah is strong in punishment."
The organisation’s Vienna spokesman Shaker Assem also called "on Austrian Muslims to cease supporting the SPÖ".
Österreich said it had handed the document to the Federal Crime Office (BK), adding that to date there had been no serious investigation of Islamic fundamentalists in Austria.
Hizb ut-Tahrir – which experts say is the first transnational organisation dominated by Palestinians calling for a caliphate or world-wide Islamic state - is considered dangerous and was banned in 2003 in Germany for its support of violence.
A spokesperson for Heinisch-Hosek said her ministry had been in contact with the Office for Protection of the Constitution and the Fight against Terrorism and was taking the matter very seriously.
Some Austrian media have reported that the Office for Protection of the Constitution and the Fight against Terrorism has had Hizb ut-Tahrir under observation.
In her comments in several interviews on 23 December, Heinisch-Hosek had said: "I consider the burka a sign of the submission of women. It greatly hinders women from finding jobs in the labour market. If more women wearing burkas appear in Austria, I will test a ban on them and enact administrative fines for women wearing them in public buildings."
She added that Islam was a danger to women’s rights when it led to "politically fundamentalist-oriented policies" such as the mandatory wearing of burkas.
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:45 pm Post subject: daddy, big brother and ....
Luvwines wrote:
I wouldn't take that blog seriously when they state this, "The Christian religion has changed over the years until it’s no longer identifiable as it was known in the early days. It has gradually grown kinder and more civilized as human beings have matured."
This could be discussed herein http://www.islamdaddy.com/ and sometimes Christianity does come out as more militant similar to the followers of Islam, Muslims & ofcourse the originals- Jewish 3-in-1 Monotheist brothers at each others throats.
What happened to the ban?? Typical, something proposed and probably promised too and later on nothing- just2pure-politik
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:31 am Post subject: What do you think is the reason for the purported ban?
What do you think, is the reason they want to ban them? My guess is either a) because of (post 9/11 world) security. I.e. we need to see who you are, in case you do something bad. Or, b) perhaps is it to preserve 'Western' culture, i.e. keep out offensive (Muslim) infiltration.
Let's remember Esau and Ismael have been fighting for more than 1000 years (e.g Crusades, 9/11 and more).
What do you think is the reason behind the proposed ban?
first of all hi, english is not my first language so if you dont understand what im try to say, please say it
about the burka im going to give my opinion
this is a catholic country( even that im not catholic), and women doesnt use these things(burka). Emigrate to another country is like going to a friends house, he or" she have her/his house rules", "my house my rules", your house your rules. So if these people are going to move to austria, they have to adapt to the sociaty and their idiosyncrasy, here in viena normally austrian women doesnt use burka, so these muslim women should not use it.
Second, if a women use this burka, the police cant know her identity and people can take advantage of that, let me give you and example:
I can use this burka, and kill inocent with a gun or a knife,stole things for a store, more bad things etc and everyone coulnt know my identity
to finish this post
My house my rules: if i dont want you smoking in my place, please dont do it, or please get away of my house, if you want to enter stopped smoking
If you are going to emigrate to a different country: adapt to the sociaety, learn their language( german)
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: What do you think is the reason for the purported ban?
Randolph wrote:
...What do you think is the reason behind the proposed ban?
NESPRESO, What else?
N- No of suicides high among `burka´ women.
E- Escapism - refuse to take personal responsibility as the price for freedom & progress. If encouraged continues to lead to subservient thinking by woman & MEN!!
S- Social Inequality (Gender & Social Discrimination)
P- Primitive (incl. Human Rights Violation and treating women as Procreation Kits/Units).
R- Restrain from Reforms - Islamic societies are against social reforms.
E- Education (Resorting to Negative forms of Traditional Methods/Tactics) and VERY Misleading as to what constitutes + defines morality & security for women _family!!)
S- Security (Lack of transparency, threat potential- high- anytime, anywhere; themselves are Easy victims/targets as their ability to assert + mobility is vastly incapacitated/reduced or basically removed!)
O- Overkill (Destroying what little progress emancipation of women managed after all these centuries of subordination to mankind&monotheism + bio-suffering AND especially the recent years of `blood, sweat & tears´ that took to some development- sort of equal status for women in @least some fields.
LOL but that's GeAEnGlisch (Germanic_Austrian-AINGlisch) (a kind of SNAFU)
It could get worse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OBvd5MgPYA
still -- One `S´is missing to say that Burka is just sexism!
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similar to the followers of Islam, Muslims & ofcourse the originals- Jewish 
3-in-1 Monotheist brothers at each others throats.
