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Silvia Site Admin

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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:52 am Post subject: Women's minister considering burka ban |
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Women's minister considering burka ban
By David Rogers
Social Democratic (SPÖ) Women’s Minister Gabriele Heinisch-Hosek said in several media interviews today (Weds) she supported a ban on burkas or garments covering women’s bodies entirely.
She added, however, there was not problem in Austria but, if one developed, she would ban burkas in public places to see if a ban would work.
"I consider the burka as a sign of the submission of women. It greatly hinders women from finding jobs in the labour market. If more women wearing burkas appear in Austria, I will test a ban on them and enact administrative fines for women wearing them in public buildings," she said.
As for head scarves, the minister said it was up to women to decide whether to wear them even if they were also a sign of the submission of women to men.
She added that Islam was a danger to women’s rights when it led to "politically fundamentalist-oriented policies" such as the mandatory wearing of burkas.
The SPÖ had protested when People’s Party Science Minister Johannes Hahn suggested a ban on burkas last year.
Support of a ban on burkas has been growing in Germany, France, Italy and Switzerland.
Austrian Times
http://www.austriantimes.at/news/General_News/2009-12-23/19123/Women%27s_minister_considering_burka_ban |
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Silvia Site Admin

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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:53 am Post subject: |
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How about some feedback from women. Should the governments get involved or is this something women should be allowed to decide for themselves?
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Luvwines VVN Citizen

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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| Barclay wrote: | | What about Nun's Habits ? |
Catholics are not terrorists so they should be exempt. |
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Silvia Site Admin

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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Barclay wrote:
What about Nun's Habits ? |
Actually all the nuns I have seen lately have been wearing something like a uniform, not the black and white habit my terrorizing school teachers wore. But good point! If one goes will there be a list?
| Quote: | | Catholics are not terrorists so they should be exempt. |
Not so many years ago a large portion of Northern Ireland and others thought otherwise. |
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Luvwines VVN Citizen

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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Silvia wrote: | | Actually all the nuns I have seen lately have been wearing something like a uniform, not the black and white habit my terrorizing school teachers wore. But good point! If one goes will there be a list? |
I actually saw one a couple days ago in full headdress garb, albeit on a bike and her skirt was hiked up revealing her stockings... Mmmmm.
Anyway I am sure the church will be the first to be against a burka ban as they were with minarets. It sets a bad precedent I suppose when you ask religion to enter the new millennium. |
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Damn_Yankee VVN Green Card

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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Luvwines wrote: | I actually saw one a couple days ago in full headdress garb, albeit on a bike and her skirt was hiked up revealing her stockings... Mmmmm.
Stone her! Stoooonnne herrrrr!!!
Anyway I am sure the church will be the first to be against a burka ban as they were with minarets. It sets a bad precedent I suppose when you ask religion to enter the new millennium. |
Actually, getting halfway through the last would be a good start... |
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forest VVN Citizen

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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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thats a tough one, and what with the nuns habits made it even tougher! Good comment/point.
If they wear them through their own choice, then ok, but if they are forced to then thats another topic. However, we do have to respect their ways when we travel to arabic countries, and shouldnt it work both ways? I dont know i dont want to make a formed opinion on it. We respect them and they should respect us...but the nun comment has thrown me off! This is a very difficult topic to discuss as it has many sides. |
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rtchina VVN Residency Permit

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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:50 pm Post subject: burka |
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About time politicians faced up to this. There is no place in a modern society for the burka which came about at a time when women were the spoils of war, not independent people with rights and responsibilities. There are, unfortunately, places in the world where this is acceptable, but just look at those countries.
As to minarets, to prove our generosity, let there be 100 minarets/mosques for every church in Saudi Arabia. How many would there be? Zero, that's just how many churches there are in SA.
By the way, can anybody tell me what the moslem world has given to the world since algebra? Oil excluded. |
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| if they got the ban in place, who would police it and how? Would this ban also apply for Islamic tourists? Are the authorities going to stand at the airport gate and tell the deboarding passengers to take off their burkas? |
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Silvia Site Admin

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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | tell the deboarding passengers to take off their burkas? |
Ok there is a problem! How do you check in someone on when you can't see their face? All people on flights go through an ID check.
| Quote: | | I am sure you have seen many women who wear a Hijjab (now this, the religion requires). |
I work with Muslim women, so this came up in conversation, none wear one here (but some do when visiting families in the middle east)and they disagree it's a religous thing , they say it is a cultural requirement and they do so out of repect for elder family members.
But I guess we also have to remember Islam, like Christianity has numerous versions, so I guess what a women does depends on which version she practices. |
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kavin VVN Citizen

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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:29 am Post subject: nuns - women in burkas + head scarves - minarets/mosques |
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How can Nuns who are individuals committed to a deeply 'spiritual' practice be compared to main stream(!) women forced to flaunt in Burkas!! Plz show some respect & understandin 2wards Nuns.
Women in Burkas are conditioned to do so like animals in cages - No Perspective & Condemned to live like that - any argument otherwise is just an argument
If a 'normal/regular/usual' somebody is so (much) subservient to religion/culture/customs of an Ideology then they MUST go back to their land & practice it or go to a country like India (unfortunately) born secular!
Where is the need to build minarets & mosques when an average 'Muslim' civilian is roting in the deserts of SaharAsia??
Of-course Tourists & Terrorists can wear Burkas wheres the doubt? but not aspiring or potential citizens who are supposed to rather required to pledge loyalty to their 'own' people aroun!!
I was thinkin of leavin Austria for nothin next yr in 2010! but now that Hon. Minister Frau Gabriele Heinisch-Hosek is contemplating on some 'respect', 'human rights' & 'basic decency' for the Burka Clad herein, I could defer my plans to see the outcome by 2012.
If it works, then I don't mind further fine tunin my idea of integration to accept, adjust & appreciate from Indish Inglish to German Inglish  |
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immer VVN Citizen

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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:35 am Post subject: |
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If a male adult walked down any street, or debarked from any plane, or entered any establishment (restaurant, bank, store) covered from head to toe -- completely concealed from any means of identification --
... what would you think? |
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Silvia Site Admin

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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | If a male adult walked down any street, or debarked from any plane, or entered any establishment (restaurant, bank, store) covered from head to toe -- completely concealed from any means of identification --
... what would you think? |
Ninja? Opps you can see there eyes, but no big help there.
I guess actually it is absurd expectation in our western fear driven world to expect people to quietly accept daily interaction with a person we don't know and who is invisible. Putting aside the politically correct jargon, I am betting most of us would be extremely uncomfortable. |
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Silvia Site Admin

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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | If it works, then I don't mind further fine tunin my idea of integration to accept, adjust & appreciate from Indish Inglish to German Inglish |
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immer VVN Citizen

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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| Silvia wrote: | | Putting aside the politically correct jargon, I am betting most of us would be extremely uncomfortable. |
--Would you interview with a potential boss (or with a potential job candidate) who shielded their face/eyes/body from view?
--Would you engage the services of a nanny, gardener, plumber, maintenance person, tutor, health-care worker, piano teacher, lawyer/advocate, priest, hairdresser, barber, meat-cutter, housekeeper, school-teacher, pilates instructor (hah!) who forbade you from looking in their face? |
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Luvwines VVN Citizen

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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:29 am Post subject: |
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| Has anyone seen Gabriele Heinisch-Hosek? They should put her in a burka. |
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Silvia Site Admin

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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:37 am Post subject: |
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Actualy, she rather favors the British Royals, maybe she is related!
She is attractive Luvwines, Not everyone takes great pictures. |
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:54 am Post subject: |
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| Not bad really. Gimme a six-pack, pint o' vodka, and an American flag... |
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forest VVN Citizen

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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| my question still is: that we have to respect their traditions when we go to their countries, and as women we have to put on a scarf or whatever else is necessary, out of respect. And i know this is a really had thing to discuss, but how about if they respected our way of life and didnt wear the cloaks? I honestly couldnt care less what anyone wears, but reality is that we have to respect their life and so it just goes without saying that they should also do the same for us. If we go to certain arabic countries and walk around in shorts and a t-shirt, well that would be really not ok, and there could be serious consequences. I feel a bit torn with this topic as at the end of the day its really all about acceptance, and that doesnt exist all the time, so then the rules come in and we all get thrown off a bit. Any other views on this? |
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Luvwines VVN Citizen

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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:59 am Post subject: |
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| She looks like she was reconstructed after flying through a windshield. Other than the complexion of death. See that nice little crucifix around her neck? They should ban those as well, at least on politicians. I find it offensive that she supports an organisation that doesn't support the equality of rights she fights for in parliament. |
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