July 27, 2011 at 10:19 am #1962
So essentially that article is saying that most of the crimes in Austria are being committed in Vienna. Which I guess is what you would expect.
I’m yet to see an actual crime comparison between Vienna and Paris illustrated with facts, figures… It’s obvious that Paris is a much more dangerous city than Vienna. Start with the murder or violent assault rate for instance.July 27, 2011 at 12:55 pm #1963
I was thinking about this thread as a friend and I where walking through the city last night and as I was walking home from the Ubahn later. Crime has increased, but if you use common sense this is still a very safe city to live in and that includes the 10th district were I live and was walking and enjoying every peaceful moment of it.
The size and population of the this districts should also be taken into consideration when reading the stats. Remember if the 10 District were a city it would be the 3rd largest in AustriaJuly 27, 2011 at 2:51 pm #1964
I could not find the article where it was clearly indicated that PER CAPITA rates of break-ins, robberies and even murders are higher than in Paris and similar to London. I read this article half a year ago, but currently don’t have 3 hours to dig it and really don;t feel like I have to produce the evidence for every word I am saying. If you want to refute it please find the stats for 2009, 2010 and check it. I will be happy if I was mistaken.
But Vienna is not a safe city.July 28, 2011 at 8:44 am #1965
Vienna has half the murder rate of London or Paris (just behind London). In comparison New York City has 4 times the rate of London.July 29, 2011 at 4:08 pm #1966
blueorange quotes http://www.viennareview.net/story/03078-criminals-large
“…But the biggest concern for many Austrians is the opening of the borders to the East with the fall of the Iron Curtain two decades ago. Critics of the free borders point to the disproportionate large number of foreigners that are culprits – and use these arguments against the majority of immigrants who themselves are often the victims, living as they do in the more hardscrabble parts of the city.
For Norbert Ceipek, of Drehscheibe Augarten, a crisis center of the Viennese youth welfare office, “the connection is obvious, when you consider the number of foreign culprits.” At the center he works with displaced children and teenagers from Eastern Europe who had been forced into prostitution, and stealing.
“I think of Eastern Europe as Europe’s warehouse. There are people who take all opportunities to get what they want, at all costs,” he explains, insisting however, that it is important not to lump everyone together. “This group is just a minority. Eastern Europeans are also frustrated about the rise in crime as it severely damages the reputation of their countries.”
Dr. Anton Pelinka, professor of political science at the Central European University in Budapest, disagrees, however, about the connection of the crime rate to the opening of Austria’s Eastern borders.
“In this regard I would be very cautious,” he said. “I neither see a contradiction nor a connection. The fact is that with Schengen, new conditions came into force. The borders are now under European control. That’s the same level of control that has formerly been there under the Austrians.”
Instead Professor Pelinka points to “a specific criminal energy in countries like Moldava and Romania” as the cause of the problem.
Whatever the source, the Viennese are worried. A survey carried out by the polling institute IMAS in May and June showed that eight out of ten Austrians have the impression that crime has risen over the last 10 years, and over 60% blame immigration…”
Often economic hardship causes unsavory behavior. Apparently I was not the only one pondering the point, chef and gemm.July 31, 2011 at 9:06 am #1967
But Vienna is not a safe city.
Again this is just perception.
Vienna has again been picked up as the best city to live in, or city with the highest quality of life to live in. It’s up there with Zurich, Geneva etc…
Surely an unsafe city wouldn’t make it to the top?
That said, anything can happen to you at any point in time. It’s just that the probability of it to happen in Vienna is much lower than most of the other european cities, which by my standards at least makes it a safer city.November 20, 2011 at 4:08 pm #2016
Vienna is an incredibly safe city in which to live.
Heck my neighbor’s nurse (whom visits daily) leaves her bicycle outside (unlocked) against the side of the apartment building for the entire three hours she is here, every single day, and has been doing this for two years now.
Yeah, the city has it’s problems, but I’ll walk in any district in Vienna at any time or day or night without fear.
The worst I have encountered (knocks on wood) is when a drunk came up to me and my wife on the Ubahn (2004) and popped me once in the chin for no reason, I grabbed him and he calmed down and we waited for the Police.
Some folks (native born Austrians) like to add a bit to their tales of Heroism, and so they lead foreigners to believe Vienna is sometimes a fierce and hard city, it’s no such thing, not even close, and people don’t need to be afraid here.July 24, 2012 at 6:52 pm #2088
I was told by an austrian friend that the area near Prater was not a safe one and she was always afraid to walk through the streets especially at night
We have been living in this supposed to be dangerous area for more than 15 years but thankfully nothing bad has happened (mugging, robbing, breaking in) to us. I go out at night sometimes (after 1 o clock in the morning) but I still feel safe. However I got pickpocketed several times in the U Bahn Station between Schwedenplatz-Stephansplatz during the day 😥
So one probably can’t really say which districts/places are safer than others?July 24, 2012 at 7:22 pm #2089
ask the police: break-in crimes went through the roof in the past several years, there are a lot of cases of auto theft, mugging of course (in all districts, murders per capita of population are comparable to London and Paris – you just don’t know about them, because it’s not so much in media as in the UK for instance.
But all in all, yeah, it’s a very safe city. DOn’t say you were not warned 😎July 24, 2012 at 7:32 pm #2090
I can’t get the quoting here to work but I have to say that I agree wiht Blueorange.
On one hand Vienna always makes these lists of best cities in the world to live in, safest, etc.- but on the other hand it seems like many people I know– and Austrians– not just expats/foreigners have experienced crime and it has gone up.
I won’t bore you with all of the details but for starters we have had a car broken into twice (in different areas– not areas with a negative reputation either, I might add.) I have an alarm system in my home, something I never felt the need for in the U.S., as many of the apartments here have been broken into at some point. My husband was mugged (and this was in the first district on a rather posh street, certainly not a place with a bad reputation.) Also I was grabbed in the subway and nobody, NOBODY came to my aid when I screamed for help. I might also add that in most stations there is no one to go to for help (when I visited London there were bobbies in all of the stations I was at– so if something were to happen, there was a security presence I could have gone to for help.)
Honestly I think often there is a perception of safety as the crimes here don’t really go reported in the media– and if they are not very extensively.July 25, 2012 at 5:56 am #2092
Trick is to live in the neighborhood where criminals don’t think there is anything worth while.
July 25, 2012 at 6:13 am #2093
so according tonthis graph, Austria has the same murder rate as Italy and London. Note that the units are 1 person.July 25, 2012 at 8:54 am #2094
London is roughly the same size as Austria and has 3 times as many annual homicides. Most murders in Austria are boyfriend/girlfriend or relative related homicides.
Geringste Mordrate Europas
95 Prozent aller Morde in Österreich werden aufgeklärt. Bei einem Großteil handelt es sich um sogenannte Beziehungstaten im Familienkreis.
Mit 47 Mordfällen insgesamt hat Österreich laut Bundeskriminalamt die geringste Mordrate Europas. Das war aber nicht immer so. In den 1980er und 1990er Jahren gab es allein in Wien noch um die 50 Morde pro Jahr.July 25, 2012 at 9:59 am #2095
Sorry, I confused blue and orange :)) ironic. didn’t have my coffee yet.
What I mean to say: Vienna has the same rate as the UK: England and Wales, Italy …July 25, 2012 at 11:48 am #2096
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